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This is our Banner and Icon post! So far, lignota, ljusastjarnan, the_winterwitch, indy1776 and yours truly have provided graphics for this project. Many thanks!

I am not yet including the banners for upcoming chapters, but this post is going to be updated regularly, so any missing banners or icons are going to appear by and by. We'll let you know about updates on one of the other Re-read posts!

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[ljusastjarnan.livejournal.com]

There's not much of "magic" in Tolkien's works, per se, I mean sure there's dragons and dwarves, but nobody is turning teacups into rabbits and the Valar can easily be construed as angelic powers, I suppose. The elven race aren't terribly outlandish, either. Perhaps that is another factor?

I honestly don't know, but I've gotten a sense over the years from some places that there's an assumption that everyone in the fandom's that flavor of Christian, and it causes friction when people run up against different viewpoints.
What do you mean? :"0

Huh. I don't see it as fatalist at all. Morally disturbing, sometimes, but not overall. So I'm curious.
Fatalism is the wrong word for it; I wasn't commentating on free will or lack thereof, more of the inevitability of that "doom" that is put upon the Noldor, ostensibly because they disobeyed the Valar.

For the simple reason people think they have the right to tell other people how to enjoy or interpret or create things.
Intolerance exists everywhere indeed. :"( I've only experienced the silly ship wars, though. Nothing terribly offensive, nor have I seen anyone up in arms about interpretations. Lineage sometimes can be a bit overwhelming though. Just recently, an RPer and I fell out because I insisted that Orodreth was Finrod brother rather than cousin (how was I to know it was printing error?! Tolkien himself kept changing his mind =__=).

First off: finish reading LotR! I adore that book.
I will! Right after we finish the trilogy re-run's... Then I can comment more on it, haha. XD

People will always write canon partners horribly (which I abhor).
I'm sure there are fantastic fanfic based on canon pairs? D':

I don't see anything wrong with OTPs in and of themselves; I have them myself.
I'm happy about the lack of OTPs mostly because this means I have wealth of more things to read-- Unfortunately, I don't often ship popular pairs within fandoms. :"(

It's just that when there's a small amount of stories (1800 on SWG, about the same on AO3, 3700 on ff.net-- and all of those have crossposted stories, so the actual numbers are somewhat lower), it's harder to read stories that focus only on them.
I would have thought it the huuuge cast was a reason too. Many of said cast are major characters whose interaction with each other still remains fairly sparse.

There do exist small fandoms that only focus on one single pairing. And yes! Lot's of interesting plots and interpretations, and I often learn more about the lore from these fanfics, which is awesome, though then there's the problem of being unable to distinguish between "canon" (and I use this term very loosely) and the universe within that particular fanfiction. Wikipedia and footnotes helps with that though.

[independence1776]

There's a lot of magic (especially in LotR); it's just subtle and not Harry Potter-style. I think what makes the difference is that Tolkien was devoutly Catholic and it comes across in his books.

more of the inevitability of that "doom" that is put upon the Noldor, ostensibly because they disobeyed the Valar.

It wasn't just disobeying the Valar. It was also the Kinslaying. Before that happened, the only people who were exiled were Fëanor and his sons, partly because Fëanor broke the law (he had not yet been allowed to return to Tirion) but also because of their Oath that basically says, "Get in our way and we'll kill you." The doom was brought about because of their actions and the consequences of them.

Basically, that anti-slash people have attacked slashers and vice versa. People think that the only way to be a "true Tolkien fan" is to do fandom their way and no other. (My first experience of that was the person who wrote my "gateway to the fandom" fic yanking everything offline because she was attacked for writing Aragorn/Legolas.)

Then you've been lucky and I'm glad for that. I've been around too long to not have seen the nasty stuff.

I insisted that Orodreth was Finrod brother rather than cousin (how was I to know it was printing error?! Tolkien himself kept changing his mind =__=).

I'm sorry you fell out over that. You will find many, many fics in the fandom where Orodreth is Finrod's brother. Many people don't read HoME, and if they have, they treat it as a "pick and choose your canon" thing. I personally take the Silm as the primary text (with a few exceptions). It also wasn't quite a printing error: with the information Christopher had at the time, that fact was true. He only discovered otherwise years later.

I'm sure there are fantastic fanfic based on canon pairs?

There are! What I meant is that I'm very tired of the "turn X evil or mean or whatever to facilitate a break-up/cheating/death/etc. so my OTP can get together."

More reading material is always good. :) But give fics with pairing you don't normally read a chance, too. Fics on SWG are usually high quality.

I would have thought it the huuuge cast was a reason too. Many of said cast are major characters whose interaction with each other still remains fairly sparse.

That's never stopped anyone! :P

Lot's of interesting plots and interpretations, and I often learn more about the lore from these fanfics, which is awesome,

Me, too! I learned the Quenya names from HoME, but reading fic helped drill them in.

though then there's the problem of being unable to distinguish between "canon" (and I use this term very loosely) and the universe within that particular fanfiction.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by that, so please correct me if I'm wrong: you have problems distinguishing between what's known from the books and people's interpretations? Some of that may be HoME-related, I think. Another part may be that there's so little we know so there's nothing to do but extrapolate. But the wealth of interpretations is something I can't condemn as a bad thing.

[ljusastjarnan.livejournal.com]

Yes, I think the fact that it's not overt and in your face also helps, as the bible also had quite a bit of 'magic', ala reincarnation and miracles. Mythical creatures not so much, though, afaik. The thing about elves, as I was regarding the Silmarillion, though, is that I often forget they are elves, and the difference between elves and humans, apart from mortality/immortality seem to be quite subtle.

It wasn't just disobeying the Valar. It was also the Kinslaying.
That is true, though perhaps on my first reading I thought the doom of Mandos had been laid on the Noldor even before the kinslaying.

It also wasn't quite a printing error: with the information Christopher had at the time, that fact was true. He only discovered otherwise years later.
Yes, which is why I grouched about how Tolkien kept changing his mind. XD I would have preferred a single canon, tbh, but I suppose it doesn't really matter.

What I meant is that I'm very tired of the "turn X evil or mean or whatever to facilitate a break-up/cheating/death/etc. so my OTP can get together."
Ah, yes, the old and tried trope. That irritates me as well.
I've a wealth of stuff to read and not much time to read it, but SWG does indeed have a great amount of amazing fics, and a multitude of pairings (yaaay). :"DD

I'm not quite sure what you mean by that, so please correct me if I'm wrong: you have problems distinguishing between what's known from the books and people's interpretations?
I meant that I can't be certain if they are taking the story from other Tolkien books published/scourged from his notes or if they just made that part up as part of their fanfic-- this was mainly when I first started, though. I've since become a tad more knowledgeable about different versions and lineages of the legendarium. I think the re-read is helping clear things up too. :")

At least, I'm not as confused as before, which always makes things more enjoyable.

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The thing about elves, as I was regarding the Silmarillion, though, is that I often forget they are elves, and the difference between elves and humans, apart from mortality/immortality seem to be quite subtle.

That's because Elves are human, as per Letter 153: "Elves and Men are evidently in biological terms one race, or they could not breed and produce fertile offspring – even as a rare event: […]." (Pandemonium_213 has an essay on this subject if you're interested.)

A single canon may be easier, but I like the pick-and-choose of HoME. (And at this end of time, it definitely doesn't matter. Tolkien's not around any longer to ask.)

but SWG does indeed have a great amount of amazing fics, and a multitude of pairings

One of the many, many reasons I love the site.

I meant that I can't be certain if they are taking the story from other Tolkien books published/scourged from his notes or if they just made that part up as part of their fanfic-- this was mainly when I first started, though. I've since become a tad more knowledgeable about different versions and lineages of the legendarium.

Okay! Yeah, that was confusing back when I entered it, too. (Sometimes I still worry if I'm missing something obvious, but that's probably not reassuring. :P)

I think the re-read is helping clear things up too. :")

I'm glad to hear that!

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I meant that I can't be certain if they are taking the story from other Tolkien books published/scourged from his notes or if they just made that part up as part of their fanfic-- this was mainly when I first started, though. I've since become a tad more knowledgeable about different versions and lineages of the legendarium.


I think everyone's got this problem when they start reading Silm fanfic. There seem to be four basic solutions:
1) Everything That Isn't In The Published Silm Isn't Canon, You Heretic
2) If Tolkien Has Written It Down At Some Point, It's Canon, Just Pick and Choose
3) If Tolkien Hasn't Explicitly Contradicted It At Some Point, I'm Fine With It
or
4) It Doesn't Matter; Either It Works, Then It Is Good, Or It Doesn't Work, Then It Sucks.

Personally, I tend to fluctuate between 2 and 3; some authors are so good (or bad ;)) that 4 is the obvious choice, though. And when I talk to someone of the 1 persuasion, I'm very strictly 3... ;)