SWG Re-Read - Wrap-up Post

[oloriel.livejournal.com]

Wrap-up Post

Wrap-up and Acknowledgements

Well, we're done.

Don't get us wrong, it has been fun to discuss The Silmarillion with all of you. There have been a lot of great ideas and opinions, some of them new, some of them old favourites. This has been a great opportunity to learn more about The Silmarillion, both from the side of what's „official“ (a.k.a. „canon“) and from the side of what our fellow fans make of it. Neither of us had previously read The History of Middle-earth cover to cover, so we've discovered a lot of new things while researching the history of individual chapters. (We still haven't read it all, but we've now seen a lot more of it! ;)) Some things that we thought were purely fanon or headcanon actually proved to have been canon at some point. Other things that we've always accepted as canonic fact proved to be purely collective fanon. Not that there's anything wrong with fanon. We don't want to come across as canatics, because if this project has shown one thing, it's shown that „canon“ really is an extremely flexible thing. But it's interesting to see how mistaken our perception of what is what can sometimes be. We hope that our research may prove useful to other fans by providing an overview of the different stages that the individual chapters in The Silmarillion have gone through.

We don't know about you, but for us, this project has also helped us to appreciate the work Christopher Tolkien has done a lot more. It's been tough and occasionally gruelling work to just read up on all the different versions and trying to keep up with all the changing of names, scenes and events. Putting them together from scratch, or rather, from the heaps of papers and notebooks in the garage-study, must have been an incredible effort. So even when there are parts where we wish Christopher Tolkien had decided differently (or, in some cases, had simply discovered a certain version before the publication of The Silmarillion, rather than years later), we stand in awe of the sheer amount of work. Of course, we think that some chapters could nonetheless do with some serious revision...

Some fans (including both of us :) like to follow the „literary agent“ act, i.e. to act like all the events from The Silmarillion really happened (more or less) like that, were recorded and compiled by various characters, and merely unearthed and translated by Tolkien. Naturally, a look into the History of Middle-earth, which records the many changes Tolkien's work went through over the years, is going to ruin that theory. On the other hand, for those of us who are also active as (fan-)authors, it's fascinating to get an insight into Tolkien's writing process, and to see how much storylines can change over time – often for the better. As such, it's inspiring and encouraging. A first draft is just that: a first draft – and anything can grow out of it.

On the FAQ post, somebody has asked whether there is going to be another re-read next year and more of you are probably wondering the same thing. The honest answer is: We don't know, but if there is, we're not going to run it. We need time for our own creative (and otherwise) endeavours that we've had to put on hold because we had to keep our deadlines, and we're not going to plunge into another time-consuming adventure again. Yes, there are other Silmarillion-related works that could be (re-)read, from The Children of Húrin to Beowulf. If anyone wants to tackle those, I'm sure they can volunteer and get the mods permission for a reading project, just as we did a year ago. But it's not going to be us – sorry! We're flattered that people enjoyed this project so much that they'd like another one, but we have to catch up with all the plotbunnies that we stirred up during our research first. Some of them have been nibbling on our toes for months now. ;)

As for the Silmarillion itself, as we've said on all discussion posts, discussion never ends and you're absolutely welcome to continue discussing things (or to jump in afresh) if you want.

oloriel wants to use this chance to thank her collaboratrix, indy1776. It's been an absolute pleasure working with you. I've often had to collaborate with someone on research projects while in university, and from what I've seen there, getting reliable collaborators who do their work on time, in depth, and without constant prompting is really rather rare. But Indy did all that. It was never a problem to rearrange our usual research schedule for reasons like holidays, building disasters or childbirth: She'd agree to do her side of the work earlier, and just did it. Try that with your average co-student. -- Moreover, she provided the patience and humour that were sometimes needed to, hm, balance my aggressive approach to certain topics and my control-freak tendencies. She also handled the inexplicable disappearance of my copy of The Treason of Isengard (just when I was needing it) very nobly and wisely. (It still hasn't reappeared, by the way.) In conclusion, thank you so much!

indy1776 wants to thank her collaboratrix oloriel as well. Heading into a co-written project is never easy, because there's no way to know if your partner(s) will bail or dump most of the work on you. Lyra absolutely did not despite a newborn, vacations, and everything else she had going on. Furthermore, she likewise worked hard when my vacation and later a national holiday required chapters to be done early, as well as handled admirably my own control-freak tendencies as well as the uncertainty that resulted when I had a medical problem crop up that nearly resulted in surgery. There were many times when she made me laugh and made me look at canon in new ways. Thank you so, so much, Lyra. It has been wonderful working with you.

A big thank you to lignota, ljusastjarnan, and the_winterwitch for providing banners and icons for this projects. Little graphic treats make everything more fun!

We would also like to thank the SWG mods for letting us run this project on their platform.

And naturally, we need to thank all of you who participated, no matter whether you commented on one post, some of them, all of them, or just read along silently. Without you, all our work would've been in vain (and that would've been seriously frustrating!), and you've provided fantastic input. Thank you all for sharing your ideas, theories and different angles. We haven't always managed to respond to all of your comments individually, but we've appreciated them all. When we decided to take on this project last year, it was partly out of annoyance with the commonly repeated complaint that Tolkien fandom on LJ is dead. You've helped us to prove that it's still alive and kicking!

In conclusion, it's been a great experience. But it's also been an experience from which one needs to recover, and so, like Bilbo, we are now looking forward to sitting beside the fire, thinking our own thoughts, and re-prioritising our spare time. Indy has observed that we've produced over 105,000 words purely on The Silmarillion and the related content in the History of Middle-earth over the course of the last year. That may explain why we've felt like we had absolutely no time for other creative endeavours!

So it's good to be done. Time to celebrate!



Discussion Time

Because it's been so instructive and fascinating to discuss things with you, we're using this chance for some more discussion. Because all of us have now freshly (re-)read the entire Silmarillion, we'll address general Silmarillion topics this time. However, if you want to discuss material from individual chapters, that is also perfectly fine. You can do so in the corresponding chapter discussion posts, or here, whichever you prefer.

~ Do you remember when (and why) you first read The Silmarillion? If this was your first time, what did you think of it? If you have by now read it several times, has your perception changed?

~ What is your favourite chapter, character, and/or line from The Silmarillion?

~ What do you think of the style in which The Silmarillion is written? Do you think it would be as effective if Tolkien had used a more modern approach, or if he had stuck with the romantic fairy-tale style used for the Book of Lost Tales?

~ Are you (predominantly) happy with the outcome of the development of the story, or do you wish that Tolkien had stopped rearranging his ideas sooner – or taken them further?

~ Here are a few of recurring themes that can be found in Tolkien's writing. What do you think about them, and what do you think about the way in which Tolkien handles them? (We've tried to come up with snazzy names for them, à la TVTropes.)

- Love Conquers All
- Individuals Succeed Where Armies Fail
- Pride Goes Before A Fall
- Fate and Free Will
- Divine Rights
- Good Cannot Comprehend Evil
- The Fall
- Who Wants To Live Forever?
- The Futility of War

If there are any other themes you'd like to talk about, go ahead! As usual, we probably didn't think of everything, and this list is not meant to be exhaustive.

~ If you could witness one event of your choice from The Silmarillion, which would it be and why?

~ If you had one single chance to give one character from The Silmarillion one piece of advice, whom would you like to advise, and what would you tell them?

~ How does The Silmarillion impact your view of The Lord of the Rings and the Legendarium as a whole?



Fanworks

We invite you to revisit the various Fanworks Rec Posts . Like the discussion posts, these aren't going to be closed. So do got back to them, either to find new fanworks, to recommend things that haven't yet been recced, or to create new fannish responses to the individual chapters that could use some more love!

For your convenience, here is a linklist of all Fanwork Rec Posts.
Ainulindalë and Valaquenta
Of the Beginning of Days and Of Aulë and Yavanna
Of the Coming of Elves and Of Thingol and Melian
Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië
Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor
Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor
Of the Darkening of Valinor
Of the Flight of the Noldor
Of the Sindar
Of the Sun and Moon and the Hiding of Valinor
Of Men
Of the Return of the Noldor
Of Beleriand and its Realms and Of the Noldor in Beleriand
Of Maeglin
Of the Coming of Men into the West
Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin
Of Beren and Lúthien
Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad
Of Túrin Turambar
Of the Ruin of Doriath
Of Tuor and the Fall of Gondolin
Of the Voyage of Eärendil and the War of Wrath
Akallabêth
Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age


And now we have reached the end. We hope you enjoyed this project. Thank you for playing along, and all the best wishes for a creative, fannish, and scholarly 2015!

Indy & Lyra

Comments

[heartofoshun.livejournal.com]

You guys are terrific! Thank you very much. A project like this is time-consuming and this particular one impressively so. But it also is important in fulfilling a couple of the aspects of the purpose and spirit of the SWG, first, of enabling people "to join us in discussing and creating based on his fictional world" and also to provide a home for those stories and research based solely on J.R.R. Tolkien's The Silmarillion and the readers and writers who "love exploring the people and places of this early mythology."

I know I will go back and re-read the presentations and discussions threads.

We need time for our own creative (and otherwise) endeavours that we've had to put on hold because we had to keep our deadlines, and we're not going to plunge into another time-consuming adventure again.

Ha! Now, I bet you will understand the cut my monthly bios make into my own fiction-writing!

Thank you so much again for doing such a thorough job with the project and providing yet another valuable resource for the community!

[independence1776]

Thank you! Knowing that people will continue using our work in their projects is a wonderful thing.

I bet you will understand the cut my monthly bios make into my own fiction-writing!

I never imagined they didn't, but I understand wholeheartedly now!

Thank you so much again for doing such a thorough job with the project and providing yet another valuable resource for the community!

You are very welcome!

[oloriel.livejournal.com]

I know I will go back and re-read the presentations and discussions threads.

That's wonderful to know. Glad you feel that we contributed to the SWG purpose!

Ha! Now, I bet you will understand the cut my monthly bios make into my own fiction-writing!

Ooooh, yes. I honestly don't know how you can do these bios on such a regular basis, and still produce fic!

Thank you for your kind words!

[angelica-ramses.livejournal.com]

First and foremost, my most deepfelt gratitude to you both, ladies! It's been a wonderful enterpise that has opened yet more perspectives and insights into the book of books that is the Silm. It also helped to cement the community that incudes people from so many places with so many backgrounds all bound together by incurable nerdery love of Middle-earth. The great care and detail that went into each an every chapter is a true labour of love. Thankyouthankyouthankyou!

If you had one single chance to give one character from The Silmarillion one piece of advice, whom would you like to advise, and what would you tell them?
So many but one takes pride of place: Maitimo, don't! How can you begin to imagine that you'll trick Moringotto? Silly boy!

[independence1776]

Thank you and you are very welcome! It's gratifying to hear that our project met at least one of its goals. (Incurable nerdery! Guilty as charged. :D)

So many but one takes pride of place: Maitimo, don't! How can you begin to imagine that you'll trick Moringotto? Silly boy!

This made me laugh. :)

[oloriel.livejournal.com]

incurable nerdery

You say it like it's a bad thing! ;)

Thank you for your kind words. So glad that you feel we contributed to the community!

Maitimo, don't! How can you begin to imagine that you'll trick Moringotto? Silly boy!

Seriously!

[dwimordene-2011.livejournal.com]

I first read the Silm when I was in 8th grade because it was the next logical thing after going through The Hobbit and LOTR. And the second read-through of Turin's story killed me. Couldn't take it and his general unwillingness to deal realistically with life.

Writing LOTR fanfiction got me back into it by way of reference at first, but finally as something I would write fanfic on for its own merits - at first because it was great for theologofic/philosofic, then because it let me so easily address class and how that plays out in imperialism and modern forms of racism, and then because I did that revisionist history of Aredhel thing for the crazy Bingo B2MEM, and that bug hasn't let go: it lets me make a female character be awesome and kick-ass and politically motivated and it lets me further work out how people in different ways interact with the Valar - two for one! Those are my main reasons for reading Silm these days, when I have the opportunity.

On the tropes thing, one thing I really appreciate today about Tolkien's work: the theme of the importance of unity and coalition-building, of recognizing what the primary problem is and dealing with it, whether in large or small groups. It may not be the only factor in the survival and triumph of Our Heroes, but without it, they got nothing. Without Rohan, Gondor's lost; without the involvement of the Shire's people, the whole Western set of societies is in jeopardy. Without the Ents, things look bad, etc., etc.

[dawn_felagund]

I want to start by thanking both of you and congratulating you for making it through a year-long project that will be such an invaluable reference on your group. It has truly been a pleasure this past year because you both asked to do this and just ... did. I never had to step in, follow up, field angry/annoyed/puzzled questions from people wondering about the project. As someone who has managed a lot of projects and a lot of volunteers over the past decade of this group's existence, this is so rare and so appreciated.

You all did a fabulous job of providing summaries, background, jumping off points for discussions, and fanworks for each chapter. It will be great to point newcomers to the Silm here to get the background that, otherwise, they will probably spend years of study obtaining. It will be great to point oldtimers here to get new perspectives and ideas for inspiration! :)

As a mod-type person, on the question of rereads: Anyone who wants to run a project on the SWG is welcome to make a proposal. We want our members to feel like our group is a place where they can host projects like this one. As long as it is rooted in the Silm and open to all comers, we will likely approve it and provide what support we can as mods.

As many people know, I will be writing my Master's thesis this year. I have big plans for this group post-MA that, unfortunately, I simply lack the time for right now, trying to balance regular coursework, thesis research, a full-time teaching job, and something that looks like a social life if you look at it sideways and squint. :) Post-MA, one of my big dreams is to run a reading group that reads and discusses not only Tolkien's texts but the texts he studied and that inspired him (e.g., Beowulf, the Eddas, the Kalevala). For me, your rereading was kind of a pilot test to see how such a project would fare, and the level of interest and sustained interest (because my own Silm reading on Henneth-Annun, years ago, lost steam as the book progressed and the chapters got looooong!) suggests that it is possible.

So if anyone wants to run a reading of any sort before then, please do speak up. But for those who liked this and would like to continue to discuss and study Tolkien's works, please know that this is on my radar, and around this time next year, I hope we might start kicking off something like that.

Once again, thank you both--what an incredible year this has been! Three cheers and *big hugs*!

[independence1776]

Thank you! (And you're very welcome. Wrangling volunteers can be like herding cats sometimes, and I don't think either of us wanted to do that to you or the other mods.) It's been a lot of hard work and I'm glad to hear (from multiple people!) that's it's valuable and appreciated.

I'm looking forward to the reading group when you have the time to get to it!

Again, thank you. *hugs back*

[oloriel.livejournal.com]

I never realised that we had the option of dropping it all and letting you deal with the fall-out! Well, damn! ;)

Seriously though, thank you for your kind words. And if the result can be used as a resource for both newbies and oldtimers to get a quick overview of the different versions... woo hoo, we actually did something useful! :)

As I told you before, I really love the idea of reading Tolkien's "background" literature as a group. So I'm very much looking forward to the day you've got time for it, and if you need a woman for odd jobs, give me a yell!

[independence1776]

Yeah, Túrin's… difficult for me to read. I tend to skip the chapter.

Those are awesome reasons for reading and writing fic!

the theme of the importance of unity and coalition-building, of recognizing what the primary problem is and dealing with it, whether in large or small groups. It may not be the only factor in the survival and triumph of Our Heroes, but without it, they got nothing.

That is definitely one of them, and one of the most important. Looking at the Silm, things fell apart in Beleriand because there were divisions from the get-go. And in LotR, things worked because people actively made things happen. The Fellowship fell apart in part because of conflicting desires-- but it worked out because Sam refused to let Frodo travel to Mordor alone. And the examples you pointed out: unity in spite of differences. It's powerful.

[oloriel.livejournal.com]

I think when I first read the Silmarillion, a lot of it went right over my head, but I was smitten with the language and the scope of it. On later re-reads, I began to tell the characters apart but still didn't become all that invested in any, although I liked Fingon, Beren and Lúthien, and Eärendil. But I really loved the way the story was chronicled. (Funny, it seems to be more normal to dislike the storytelling, but adore individual characters...) A real interest in the characters was only kindled when I discovered fanfiction...

it lets me make a female character be awesome and kick-ass and politically motivated and it lets me further work out how people in different ways interact with the Valar - two for one! Those are my main reasons for reading Silm these days, when I have the opportunity.

Excellent motivation. :D

On the tropes thing, one thing I really appreciate today about Tolkien's work: the theme of the importance of unity and coalition-building, of recognizing what the primary problem is and dealing with it

Ooh, very good point! Yes, that's definitely a recurring theme.

[anna-wing.livejournal.com]

Thank you all very much. I have enjoyed this opportunity to think more deeply about the Silmarillion and see the views of other fans. It has been extremely interesting, and I very much appreciate the effort that you have put in to ensure that the discussions were so substantive.

I would sum the Silmarilion up thus:

It is quite unwise
To put so much emphasis
On your jewellery

[independence1776]

Thank you for your kind words and you are very welcome!

And your haiku made me giggle.

[oloriel.livejournal.com]

Thank you, too! You've brought so many ideas into the discussion that were exciting and new (at least to me ;))!

My icon agress with your haiku...

[hhimring]

Thank you so much to you both!
And also to the banner-makers!
This was a great project and I really appreciated it--so much persistent effort, so much information and inspiration!

[independence1776]

Thank you for participating! And you are very welcome.

[oloriel.livejournal.com]

Thank you for playing along, and for your regular signal boosts! Really glad you enjoyed it.

[rhapsody11.livejournal.com]

Ladies.... what a huge endavour this has been for the two of you. Us mods helped where we were asked and, well you managed superbly! *cheers*

And oh my goodness... Lyra had a baby?? Congrats with your second born Lyra!

Question time:

~ Do you remember when (and why) you first read The Silmarillion? If this was your first time, what did you think of it? If you have by now read it several times, has your perception changed?

It must have been before my eldest was born, I think. I have no idea. What I do vividly remember is that when I was expecting my eldest and I felt too tired to read while commuting to and from work... I listened to the audiobooks. :)


~ What is your favourite chapter, character, and/or line from The Silmarillion?

Oi, hmmm. No, not really. Everything related to the Noldor, Beleg ect.

~ What do you think of the style in which The Silmarillion is written? Do you think it would be as effective if Tolkien had used a more modern approach, or if he had stuck with the romantic fairy-tale style used for the Book of Lost Tales?

A hodgepotch of styles if you ask me. From quite detailed and descriptive at the start to the epic verse of Beren and Luthien's tale. I would have loved that the elements used (also the more human portrayal of the Valar) of BOTL were maintained. But oh well.

~ Are you (predominantly) happy with the outcome of the development of the story, or do you wish that Tolkien had stopped rearranging his ideas sooner – or taken them further?

When reading HOME I sometimes marvel at the scenario's he had there. Let's take a look at Celegorm, in the earlierst versions he came off more heroic (well he is still awesome to me, kindslayer or no). I also think that some characters deserved a better fate, especially Beleg Cuthalion or Túrin for that matter.

~ Here are a few of recurring themes that can be found in Tolkien's writing. What do you think about them, and what do you think about the way in which Tolkien handles them? (We've tried to come up with snazzy names for them, à la TVTropes.)
- Love Conquers All
- Individuals Succeed Where Armies Fail
- Pride Goes Before A Fall
- Fate and Free Will
- Divine Rights
- Good Cannot Comprehend Evil
- The Fall
- Who Wants To Live Forever?
- The Futility of War

I think many of these tropes go hand in hand. For example Divine rights leads to a whole lot of trouble with other themes. :) Love conquers all... yeah but at a price. Fate and Free will is for me mostly a theme for the Edain. I wish that Andreth's conversation with Finrod was in the Silm just to illustrate that.

~ If you could witness one event of your choice from The Silmarillion, which would it be and why?

I'd probably come up with many not safe for work events ;)

~ If you had one single chance to give one character from The Silmarillion one piece of advice, whom would you like to advise, and what would you tell them?

Fëanor, listen to your wife, or at least take her with you! Men!

~ How does The Silmarillion impact your view of The Lord of the Rings and the Legendarium as a whole?

The Silm is a framework for me and many of it does come back in The Hobbit or even Lord of the Rings.

[independence1776]

Thank you!

Yeah, it can be hard too choose favorites. Though I do have two favorite quotes: the Prophecy of the North and the snippet of verse in "Of Beren and Lúthien," both of which I have half-memorized. Beyond that… It gets much harder.

I think many of these tropes go hand in hand. For example Divine rights leads to a whole lot of trouble with other themes.

You are absolutely right. The connections are one of the things I love about Tolkien's work.

Fëanor, listen to your wife, or at least take her with you! Men!

Yeah, things would have much different if Nerdanel had come along!

[oloriel.livejournal.com]

Lyra had a baby?? Congrats with your second born Lyra!

Thank you very much! Yes, he was born in between "Of the Flight of the Noldor" and "Of the Sindar". :)

I would have loved that the elements used (also the more human portrayal of the Valar) of BOTL were maintained. But oh well.

I have to admit that I find the style of BOLT quite tiresome - not the content, much of which I find fantastic (sometimes fantastic in its absurdity) and would have liked to see them in the Silm too - but that romantic Morris style drives me up the wall. (I love Morris as an artist, but I can't read his prose without rolling my eyes.) I'm so relieved that Tolkien found a more authentically medieval style for his chronicle that I'm willing to forgive the loss of many interesting elements... I mean, we can always use the BOLT stuff to inspire our fanfic, anyway. ;)

Fate and Free will is for me mostly a theme for the Edain.

Free Will massively concerns the Eldar too, though. Take Fëanor, or Lúthien, or Eärendil (well OK, he's kinda mortal to start with, but still)...

I'd probably come up with many not safe for work events ;)

*snickersnicker* You too, eh?

Fëanor, listen to your wife, or at least take her with you!

Well, she didn't want to come along or he would have!

Thank you for playing along! :)

[hhimring]

When I first read the Silmarillion, I read it because I didn't want the Lord of the Rings to have ended and even if maybe all that was on offer was more Appendices, I was willing to go broke for it.
This was basically the Stone Age--no HoME, no internet (at least not for me), no Peter Jackson. Fan fiction existed, but distantly on the horizon.
I knew about Christopher Tolkien, but I was far more accepting of the text and read it very straightforwardly. (I liked the style.)
I wrote two poems at the time, one a hymn to Nienna and one on the drowning of Tar-Miriel. I recently came across them again in a very old notebook (the paper kind!).

[independence1776]

I read it because it was the next thing after LotR. I fell in love when I began reading the Ainulindalë; the style of it swept me away.

Oh, wow! That's amazing you found that notebook.

[oloriel.livejournal.com]

(I liked the style.)

Me too. And although the internet existed when I read the text, I also read it straightforwardly and without critical afterthoughts. In fact, in those early days in fandom, I came across a couple of discussions about the text and some interpretation (Do Balrogs have wings? Is Fëanor evil?), but nothing on the scale of interpretation and criticism (literary and otherwise) that we have today. I don't know whether I just didn't get into the more critical corners back then, or whether topics like feminist rereadings, etc. simply weren't so widely spread...

Aww! I wrote a poem for Númenor. But that was already online. How wonderful to find old notebooks with your old writing! (Well, maybe embarrassing too - I tend to be embarrassed by my old writings and drawings whenever I come across them - but it's a fond kind of embarrassment, right?)

[hhimring]

Yes, mostly a fond kind of embarrassment!
I was dealing with stuff and unfortunately the notebook had to be re-packed straight away for storage. But my impression was that the poem about Tar-Miriel might have been quite interesting to post, with a suitable explanation. The hymn to Nienna, however... The less said about that one, the better! It does show, though, how appealing I found her at the time.

[zdenka]

Thank you both for all the work you put into this! It's raised some questions that I'm still having fun turning over in my mind. And thanks for the opportunity to practice my GIMP skills -- I've feel like I've learned a lot of new things over the past year about graphics-making, which I probably wouldn't have without the impetus of the re-read posts, and I've enjoyed the challenge.

[oloriel.livejournal.com]

It's great how projects like this can hone skills you didn't expect would be relevant. Glad we helped you to practice in GIMP! ;)
Thank you for providing us with so many lovely banners! It was a relief that we didn't always have to search for useable graphics on top of our reading. :)

[zdenka]

You're quite welcome!

[independence1776]

What Lyra said. Thank you so very much!

[zdenka]

Quite welcome! :)

Thanks

[(Anonymous)]

Hi, a shy lurker here. I don’t have a Livejournal account and I’m not very talkative on the internet, but I just wanted to chime in and say thank you for the re-reading project. I’ve been following it basically from the beginning and found it extremely interesting. It helped me remember lots of things I’ve forgotten or overlooked, and made me go back to the books a couple of times. The discussions were especially fascinating. Once again, thank you for giving so much time to this.

- Majoranka
(I'm on ff.net)

RE: Thanks

[oloriel.livejournal.com]

Hi, Majoranka! Happy to hear that you found this project useful and that you enjoyed the discussions. I'm also happy that we managed to reach beyond Livejournal. Thank you for de-lurking to let us know! :)