[identity profile] remix17.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] silwritersguild
I'm still pretty new to Tolkien, even though I've learned a lot about the mythos, but I am having trouble with a project I want to write--specifically, having trouble with some of the Elven details.

My story will take place on a timeline of about 20 years, and two of the main characters will be Elves. Can I create a special village or place for their Elven community, or did the Elves only dwell in listed ME places like Mirkwood and such, especially since they were fewer in number in Middle-Earth and many went to Valinor? Since the story will be set against the backdrop of the second big war against Morgoth, is there a specific way I must potray this community's involvement in that? My idea is for the community to be beseiged by the enemy's forces at present.

Any help would be appreciated.
 

more on the Green elves

Date: 2007-03-06 05:07 pm (UTC)
ext_79824: (Celegorm)
From: [identity profile] rhapsody11.livejournal.com
OKay LOL

Taking out the War of Wrath factor, if Remix doesn't need to focus on the War for her story and wants to write an elven community besieged by the enemy, the Green-elves would work. Anyway, it's all up to her.

Given her wish regarding that, it would have to happen around the time of the First Battle, look below what happened to the Green Elves:

Therefore he called upon Denethor; and the Elves came in force from Region beyond Aros and from Ossiriand, and fought the first battle in the Wars of Beleriand. And the eastern host of the Orcs was taken between the armies of the Eldar, north of the Andram and midway between Aros and Gelion, and there they were utterly defeated, and those that fled north from the great slaughter were waylaid by the axes of the Naugrim that issued from Mount Dolmed: few indeed returned to Angband.
But the victory of the Elves was dear-bought For those of Ossiriand were light-armed, and no match for the Orcs, who were shod with iron and iron-shielded and bore great spears with broad blades; and Denethor was cut off and surrounded upon the hill of Amon Ereb. There he fell and all his nearest kin about him, before the host of Thingol could come to his aid. Bitterly though his fall was avenged, when Thingol came upon the rear of the Orcs and slew them in heaps, his people lamented him ever after and took no king again. After the battle some returned to Ossiriand, and their tidings filled the remnant of their people with great fear, so that thereafter they came never forth in open war, but kept themselves by wariness and secrecy; and they were called the Laiquendi, the Green-elves, because of their raiment of the colour of leaves. But many went north and entered the guarded realm of Thingol, and were merged with his people.


So no, sorry. The green elves were split up or so it seems: they became part of Doriath and those who did return.. there were a few of them left and they never fought anymore.

Oh this is a lovely detail

In Ossiriand dwelt the Green-elves, in the protection of their rivers; for after Sirion Ulmo loved Gelion above all the waters of the western world. The woodcraft of the Elves of Ossiriand was such that a stranger might pass through their land from end to end and see none of them. They were clad in green in spring and summer, and the sound of their singing could be heard even across the waters of Gelion; wherefore the Noldor named that country Lindon, the land of music, and the mountains beyond they named Ered Lindon, for they first saw them from Ossiriand.

Re: more on the Green elves

Date: 2007-03-06 05:18 pm (UTC)
ext_6981: (Default)
From: [identity profile] allie-meril.livejournal.com
Ah, bugger. I suppose I was thinking "A group of elves that isn't written about too much, that Remix can get creative with" without taking into account all the very detailed history. ;) This is what happens when one hasn't read the Silm in a shamefully long time, and barrels into answering questions when one has just awoken.

The First Battle is a possibility, though. Oh, I'm so interested in the Green-elves now!

I adore that quote: it is so lovely. :)

Re: more on the Green elves

Date: 2007-03-06 05:21 pm (UTC)
ext_79824: (Celegorm)
From: [identity profile] rhapsody11.livejournal.com
Me too!!! I know I researched the origin of the Galadhrim and Silvan elves a loooong time ago, so I knew something was up with them.

*waves at Remix*

We're here to help, honestly!

Re: more on the Green elves

Date: 2007-03-06 05:30 pm (UTC)
ext_6981: (Default)
From: [identity profile] allie-meril.livejournal.com
The Silm is so chock-full of Noldor, and though I love them dearly (Feanor... Be still, my heart!), the elves that were left behind have quite a bit more mystery about them, especially the Green-elves/Silvan variety because the "higher" elves looked down on them and thought them inferior. So. Much. Potential!

You know who does a great take on the history of the Green-elves? Marnie. Two of her stories (A Leaf on a Stream (http://www.henneth-annun.net/stories/chapter.cfm?stid=1825) and Dancing in the Darkness (http://www.henneth-annun.net/stories/chapter.cfm?stid=4556)) deal with Celeborn teaching the twins about the history of the Green-elves. I highly recommend those two-- Well, in fact, anything that Marnie's written.

*grins and waves* We're not trying to be confusing... Honestly...

Re: more on the Green elves

Date: 2007-03-06 06:12 pm (UTC)
ext_79824: (Aragorn & Gilraen)
From: [identity profile] rhapsody11.livejournal.com
Yeah I have read Marnie. :) The author that covered Thranduil & his family and Oropher over the ages brilliantly is Elliska (http://www.storiesofarda.com/author.asp?AuthID=846), another tip is In the Bleak Midwinter (http://www.scribeoz.com/fanfic/story.php?no=2429) written by Space Weavil (Thranduil and Oropher attempt to rejoin the refugees of Doriath after the fall of Menegroth.) Or The bow (http://www.scribeoz.com/fanfic/story.php?no=1276), written by her as well

Re: more on the Green elves

Date: 2007-03-06 06:17 pm (UTC)
ext_79824: (Celegorm)
From: [identity profile] rhapsody11.livejournal.com
LOL, you just wait until you mention Fëanorians and... so far my Celegorm muse has indulged it ;) And I think Allie's Fëanor is tapping his feet as well ;)

Re: more on the Green elves

Date: 2007-03-06 06:32 pm (UTC)
ext_6981: (03 fandom silmaril radiance)
From: [identity profile] allie-meril.livejournal.com
*perks up* Doth mine ears deceive me? Did someone say Fëanor?

Re: more on the Green elves

Date: 2007-03-06 06:36 pm (UTC)
ext_79824: (Celegorm)
From: [identity profile] rhapsody11.livejournal.com
*smirks* Atar, you have to react quicker than that!

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